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yep this is how I do it..and it works well. Long live the unwoke.
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....... "Within your heart is a lotus, and within this lotus is a diamond. This diamond is the source of creation, and in all the creation, there is only one lotus."
"Only from the Heart can you touch the sky." ~ Rumi
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Kalt und Heiß, Schwarz und Rot, Kürper und Geist, Liebe und Chaos
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Spiceman wrote:The use of alcohols to form concentrates of our favorite plant allies to aid in large scale extractions has seriously been overlooked. Therefore I would like to bring again to everyones attention the possibility of making concentrated cakes of our fav pink powder via alcohol soaks followed by evaporation (or recycling of the alcohol via distillation) to yeild a thick hard cake of tryptamine goodness.
This can then be dissolved in heavily basic h20 and pulled with solvent (note : here the stirring can be rough but it will eventually thin out on its own).... the solvent collected and deffated by stirring on an equal portion of acidic water for several minutes. The solvent is then discarded (or recycled) and the water re-basified and fresh solvent added to pull 100% fat free , non water soluble contaminent free and any other bullshit free spice.
The beauty of this technique is that even 5 pounds could be completely extracted in a SINGLE gallon pickle jar . Imagine snowing over an ounce of dmt from one freeze precipitation. This solution is so alkaloid rich that upon addition of naptha (a crappy but common solvent) is added it will immediately cloud ... allowing you to add solvent and stir until it goes clear allowing you to JUDGE EXACTLY HOW MUCH SOLVENT YOU NEED!
No more fifty quart jar 3+ pd extractions..... soak in alcohol... extract that cake... its 100% easier and its just so damned exciting to stick a full quart of solvent in the freezer and watch it snow 15 - 20 grams in just an hour !
Someone should write this up with specified amounts. Peace and Godspeed! What is the advantage of using alcohols instead of water (apart from their faster evaporation rate)? what you describe with alcohols can be done with water and evaporated over low heat to leave a concentrate ~solid~ mass of plant extract. It just takes some extra time. Plus, alcohols will pick up more oils while water dissolves most goodies better. On top of that, solvents like meOH, etOH, and IPA are really not readily available in many of the countries where SWIM has lived. It appears that in the States one can go to the grocery store and just buy of a couple of litres of methanol or IPA. But in UK for instance, even finding a decent naphtha is a pain in the ass! Need to calculate between salts and freebases? Click here! Need to calculate freebase or salt percentage at a given pH? Click here!
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oh.. what about acetone ? will it work in the same way? all my posts are random generated and can not be evaluated as distinct ideas Evening Glory wrote:This is a medicine, remember, not some video you can watch inside your head.
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Kalt und Heiß, Schwarz und Rot, Kürper und Geist, Liebe und Chaos
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nadir wrote:oh..
what about acetone ? will it work in the same way? Not quite, even though SWIM hasn't tried it personally. But Noman did it once with acetone, evapped and performed A/B on the residue to yield nothing. As a rule-of-thumb, acetone dissolves alkaloid salts more poorly than alcohols. Generally, salts are soluble more in water, then follows methanol, then ethanol, then IPA and finally acetone. Need to calculate between salts and freebases? Click here! Need to calculate freebase or salt percentage at a given pH? Click here!
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The Root
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would some acetone washes not be beneficial before methanol pulls ? antrocles wrote:...purity of intent....purity of execution....purity of experience...
...unlike the "blind leading the blind". we are more akin to a group of blind-from-birth people who have all simultaneously been given the gift of sight but have no words or mental processing capabilites to work with this new "gift".
IT IS ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT WE ARE WILLING TO EXPOSE OURSELVES OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO ANNIHILATION THAT WE DISCOVER THAT PART OF OURSELVES THAT IS INDESTRUCTIBLE.
Quote: ‹Jorkest› the wall is impenetrable as far as i can tell Quote: ‹xtechre› cheese is great He who packs ur capsules - controls your destiny.
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The Root
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ok makes more sense i guess - clarify that word basic prefixing methanol in ur last post - it could refer to ph. antrocles wrote:...purity of intent....purity of execution....purity of experience...
...unlike the "blind leading the blind". we are more akin to a group of blind-from-birth people who have all simultaneously been given the gift of sight but have no words or mental processing capabilites to work with this new "gift".
IT IS ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT WE ARE WILLING TO EXPOSE OURSELVES OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO ANNIHILATION THAT WE DISCOVER THAT PART OF OURSELVES THAT IS INDESTRUCTIBLE.
Quote: ‹Jorkest› the wall is impenetrable as far as i can tell Quote: ‹xtechre› cheese is great He who packs ur capsules - controls your destiny.
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I had never thought of this! How efficient is it, and how many alcohol pulls are needed to ensure that you get all the goods out of the MHRB?
Also, would something like this work?
1. Alcohol extraction (which is best?)
2. Acidify cake with vinegar or something (is this helpful using an alcohol extract as it is with BLAB?)
3. Basify
4. Pull with naphtha several times
5. Wash naphtha with acid water several times
6. Basify acid water
7. Pull with naphtha several times
8. Freeze precip.
Hmmm... might have to try a scaled up extraction if this really is effective...
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I like this idea allot. It reminds me of a very crude extract I did years ago with everclear. I never basified it or used a solvent. I simply soaked in 99% pure ethanol, filtered, and was left with a deep dark purple liquid. I evaped this and was left with a shiny blackish purple residue. I ground it up and put it in gel caps and combined that with some Rue. Very potent but, oh the nausea! I like the bulk possibilities here. So help me out here, Anyone know what a good soak time would be? Would it be beneficial to warm the soak and Whats a good ratio IPA to bark, or do you just go by thickness/consitency? Once the soak is finnished you just filter the bark powder out with a T-shirt? If IPA is that efficient with just one soak this is a great tek IMHO. I have no chem background and two left thumbs, so extractions can be a little tougher for me some times. Getting the supplies is simple. Eliminating all the jars and a bulk of the organic matter is very appealing. Ice House is an alter ego. The threads, postings, replys, statements, stories, and private messages made by Ice House are 100% unadulterated Bull Shit. Every aspect of the Username Ice House is pure fiction. Any likeness to SWIM or any real person is purely coincidental. The creator of Ice House does not condone or participate in any illicit activity what so ever. The makebelieve character known as Ice House is owned and operated by SWIM and should not be used without SWIM's expressed written consent.
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The Root
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id like to see them side by side - basic methanol soaks dried and acetone pulled - (but i think that wont be selective enough) vs acidic methanol soaks dried - washed with acetone - made basic then pulled with acetone. antrocles wrote:...purity of intent....purity of execution....purity of experience...
...unlike the "blind leading the blind". we are more akin to a group of blind-from-birth people who have all simultaneously been given the gift of sight but have no words or mental processing capabilites to work with this new "gift".
IT IS ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT WE ARE WILLING TO EXPOSE OURSELVES OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO ANNIHILATION THAT WE DISCOVER THAT PART OF OURSELVES THAT IS INDESTRUCTIBLE.
Quote: ‹Jorkest› the wall is impenetrable as far as i can tell Quote: ‹xtechre› cheese is great He who packs ur capsules - controls your destiny.
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The Root
Posts: 2458 Joined: 02-Jul-2008 Last visit: 27-Sep-2023 Location: The asteroid belt
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this could also work for long term storage - bark does go bad slowly - if fumaric acid is used as the starting acid in the soak then evapped i would imagine the mhrb puck would last forever(or at least until needed) and would take up way less space in the majical plant cupboard. antrocles wrote:...purity of intent....purity of execution....purity of experience...
...unlike the "blind leading the blind". we are more akin to a group of blind-from-birth people who have all simultaneously been given the gift of sight but have no words or mental processing capabilites to work with this new "gift".
IT IS ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT WE ARE WILLING TO EXPOSE OURSELVES OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO ANNIHILATION THAT WE DISCOVER THAT PART OF OURSELVES THAT IS INDESTRUCTIBLE.
Quote: ‹Jorkest› the wall is impenetrable as far as i can tell Quote: ‹xtechre› cheese is great He who packs ur capsules - controls your destiny.
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Phlux- wrote:this could also work for long term storage - bark does go bad slowly - if fumaric acid is used as the starting acid in the soak then evapped i would imagine the mhrb puck would last forever(or at least until needed) and would take up way less space in the majical plant cupboard. the mhrb could even be stored/preserved in the alcohol itself, in a closed container, and then filtered/evapped when one is ready for extraction. would it be preserved in methanol or IPA, just as it is with ethanol? "Within your heart is a lotus, and within this lotus is a diamond. This diamond is the source of creation, and in all the creation, there is only one lotus."
"Only from the Heart can you touch the sky." ~ Rumi
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Microbes won't grow in those at the concentrations they are at, so you're fine. The only worry then would be chemical degradation which should be minimal.
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biohazard72 wrote:........The only worry then would be chemical degradation which should be minimal. Yeah, that's what i was thinking about. Wasn't sure if methanol and IPA act in the same way that ethanol does as a preservative. Do they? Or can they possibly cause degradation, or even changes, to the compounds. What effect might acidifying the alcohol (with phosphoric & fumaric in particular) have on possible degradation...or preservation for that matter? Sorry, i missed nearly everyday of chemistry in high school.  "Within your heart is a lotus, and within this lotus is a diamond. This diamond is the source of creation, and in all the creation, there is only one lotus."
"Only from the Heart can you touch the sky." ~ Rumi
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All of these solvents could just be replaced by acidified water which is 1) cheap 2) safe 3) no odor 4) freely available. soo.... it seems an example of over complicating something really simple.
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mumbles wrote:All of these solvents could just be replaced by acidified water which is 1) cheap 2) safe 3) no odor 4) freely available. soo.... it seems an example of over complicating something really simple. Word. Just need to add that 5) water dissolves the salts of the alkaloids better than any alcohol. Need to calculate between salts and freebases? Click here! Need to calculate freebase or salt percentage at a given pH? Click here!
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